19931227 Bhagavad-gītā 4.36-39

The following is a class given by His Holiness Jayapatākā Swami given on February 27, 1993 in Singapore. The class begins with a reading from the Bhagavad-gītā, chapter 4, text 36 to 39.

Bhagavad-gītā 4.36

api ced asi pāpebhyaḥ
sarvebhyaḥ pāpa-kṛt-tamaḥ
sarvaṁ jñāna-plavenaiva
vṛjinaṁ santariṣyasi

Bhagavad-gītā  4.37

yathaidhāṁsi samiddho ’gnir
bhasma-sāt kurute ’rjuna
jñānāgniḥ sarva-karmāṇi
bhasma-sāt kurute tathā

Bhagavad-gītā  4.38

na hi jñānena sadṛśaṁ
pavitram iha vidyate
tat svayaṁ yoga-saṁsiddhaḥ
kālenātmani vindati

Bhagavad-gītā 4.39

śraddhāvāl labhate jñānaṁ
tat-paraḥ saṁyatendriyaḥ
jñānaṁ labdhvā parāṁ śāntim
acireṇādhigacchati

Translations (36-39): Even if you are considered to be the most sinful of all sinners, when you are situated in the boat of transcendental knowledge you will be able to cross over the ocean of miseries.

As a blazing fire turns firewood to ashes, O Arjuna, so does the fire of knowledge burn to ashes all reactions to material activities.

In this world, there is nothing so sublime and pure as transcendental knowledge. Such knowledge is the mature fruit of all mysticism. And one who has become accomplished in the practice of devotional service enjoys this knowledge within himself in due course of time.

A faithful man who is dedicated to transcendental knowledge and who subdues his senses is eligible to achieve such knowledge, and having achieved it he quickly attains the supreme spiritual peace.

Purport: Such knowledge in Kṛṣṇa consciousness can be achieved by a faithful person who believes firmly in Kṛṣṇa. One is called a faithful man who thinks that, simply by acting in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he can attain the highest perfection. This faith is attained by the discharge of devotional service, and by chanting "Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare / Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare," which cleanses one's heart of all material dirt. Over and above this, one should control the senses. A person who is faithful to Kṛṣṇa and who controls the senses can easily attain perfection in the knowledge of Kṛṣṇa consciousness without delay.

Thus end the Bhaktivedanta translations to chapter 4, texts 36-39 and purport to text 39

Jayapatākā Swami: These verses are transcendental knowledge. That by having transcendental knowledge one can burn away all the bad karmas in life, all the reactions to material activities. It is the fruit of all mysticism, and by doing devotional service one gets this knowledge and attains supreme spiritual peace. Knowledge in Kṛṣṇa consciousness is very very special. It is not like the ordinary knowledge that we gain in the material world. It is the very special knowledge, because it gives us a vision of our self. We can realize our own spiritual identity. The knowledge is so powerful, like a fire it burns away all the bad reactions. In India there are many going on in their paths, they are many brāhmaṇas who are being born in priestly families and are very proud of their education. But in the modern context we find that they are not so qualified in every case. In this way 500 or 450 years ago after Caitanya Mahāprabhu was on this planet, at that time, after he left the planet,  Narottama dāsa Ṭḥākura had returned from Vṛndāvana, and he began his devotional service at Kheturi. We can recall, Narottama Dāsa Ṭhākura was a crown prince of a kingdom, but he didn’t accept the throne, instead he said, he just wanted to do devotional service. He was the only heir to the, only son to his father, the king. So that man, the king’s brother’s son, he became the next candidate, for next to be the king. Most people if they have to be the king, they won’t give it up. But Narottama Dāsa Ṭhākura he only wanted to worship Caitanya Mahāprabhu. To serve Him. He wasn’t interested in being the king. Fortunately, his cousin brother was a very good devotee. Although he became the king, he did it in a very devotional attitude. Managing everything very much in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. His name was Santosh Roy. So, when Narottama Dāsa Ṭhākura and his friend, godbrother, cousin brother. Godbrother, Rāmadāsa Kavirāja, Rāmacandra Kavirāja, at that time they were together in this Kheturi. Because they offered him some facility to build him a temple, for the Deities. The government’s support was very good. In a sense, he didn’t become the king. At least the government was supporting him. Not interfering in giving some facilities like temples, so on, so on. He accepted that, as being useful in devotional service. So, he and Rāmacandra Kavirāja, one day they went down the Padmā River to take the bath. You know this pastime. While they went down, on the way, they saw two brāhmaṇa boys who were taking some buffaloes and some goats, with some servants. So, they are very aristocratic brāhmaṇa, young men. With their servants, they are taking goats and buffaloes. So, look like they must be taking to make an offering. Sometimes brāhmaṇas are two categories: Vaiṣṇavas, who worship Lord Viṣṇu, who always take vegetarian food. Then there is the non-Vaiṣṇavas, they worship, some of them worship certain forms of Devī, like Durgā, like Kāli and on a certain night, the amāvāsya, a full moon, on a dark moon night, they offer this animal sacrifice. So, Vedas they say that in Kali-yuga animal sacrifice is not recommended but they are still doing it. It is much better to offer vegetables and rice, other things in the sacrifice, take that as a remnant. so Narottama, the great spiritual master with Rāmacandra Kavirāja, another great spiritual master. As they were walking, they saw this. Very intelligent brāhmaṇa boys. They said, “Wouldn’t it be nice if they would become devotees of Kṛṣṇa?”

Then Rāmacandra Kavirāja said, “It would be nice if we could preach to them, because it is very obvious that they are taking these animals to be sacrificed.”

Narottama said, “But they probably won’t listen to us. We just go up and talk to them, they won’t listen.”

Then Rāmacandra Kavirāja, he had an idea. He told him his idea. So, all of a sudden, he started to have a mock argument. That means one of them took the negative role and one of them took the positive role. Once started saying, “What’s wrong with offering an animal in the sacrifice? It’s in the Vedas, isn’t it?”

The other one said, “Well, it might be in the Vedas but now people don’t know what the Vedas are saying. Those mantras are saying you have to whisper in the animal’s ear, “I am taking your life now, but in the next life, you can kill me”, but nobody knows Sanskrit, hardly to that extent. So they are not really knowing what all these rituals mean. Actually, it’s not good. But anyway, “You are just a Vaiṣṇava, what do you know? The brāhmaṇas are greater than Vaiṣṇavas.” Brāhmaṇas are the most exalted in the varṇāśrama, in the varṇas no doubt. The brāhmaṇa has twelve good qualities, but a Vaiṣṇava is even greater than a brāhmaṇa, or is automatically considered to be a brāhmaṇa plus more. A Vaiṣṇava has thirteen qualities. The twelve of the brāhmaṇas and one more.

“Where is it said in the Vedas? You’re just saying it.”

“No.” Then he quoted so many verses. So like this, one’s making the negative points, and the other one was answering the questions. Quoting, speaking very loud, just walking right behind the boys, maybe like five meters behind, ten meters behind. So, they could clearly hear what was being said. The two said, “Who are those two? They seemed very learned. Then know so much of philosophy. What they are saying sound very convincing.” 

“One of them is Narottama Dāsa Ṭhākura.”

“The other one must be Rāmacandra Kavirāja.”

“Actually, what they are saying makes a lot of sense. We should surrender to them and take up this path of bhakti-yoga by worshiping Lord Viṣṇu.”

So they ran and offered their obeisances to Narottama and Rāmacandra Kavirāja. They introduced themselves to be the son of one smārta brāhmaṇa known as Śivānanda Bhaṭṭācārya. Very famous smārta of that place. So, they introduced them to Narottama dāsa and Rāmacandra Kavirāja. They said, “We want to take shelter of you. Please give us spiritual guidance. Very much embarrassed because we have these animals which are meant for sacrifice.  We want to release them. So they told the servants, “You protect the animals, let them go.”

“But your father will be very angry. He wants these animals for sacrifice.”

They said, “You are under our control now, you let go of these animals, you go back and tell our father that we are not coming back now, we are going to stay in the āśrama of Narottama dāsa Ṭḥākura and study Kṛṣṇa consciousness.” Although previously, see brāhmaṇas would not be initiated by non-brāhmaṇas and Narottama was son of a kṣatriya, he was a crown prince but he gave that up and he became pure Vaiṣṇava. But the brāhmaṇas, they thought, ‘What is this!? A lower caste has initiated the higher caste!’ Like that there so many pastimes that came. At the end, then people became convinced in a very unusual way. Two different things happened.  One of the things that happened was, after sometime these two boys, they took initiation. They also became, got Vaiṣṇava names. Then they went back to see their father. When their father saw them shaved up, with the tilaka, all dressed as a Vaiṣṇava devotee, Hare Kṛṣṇa devotee, he became very angry. “Kulādhama! Kulādhama! You have ruined our family tradition! You are despicable! How could you come as a devotee of Kṛṣṇa? This is a great offence to our tradition.” So many other offensive things. When the sons started to explain what he was saying was not correct, “Hahahaha! Now I have to hear my own sons telling me? My little tots telling me? I won’t listen to you. You won’t listen to me, alright. I am going to bring some paṇḍitas, they will explain to you.” So, he brought some brāhmaṇas and said, “Convince my sons that they are wrong.” They went, and there was a discussion, and the sons convinced the brāhmaṇas that they were wrong. The brāhmaṇas, they became Vaiṣṇavas. So, the father became more angry. “You foolish brāhmaṇas, I am going to get a big brāhmaṇa. Digvijayī, he has conquered everyone, going around the whole country, defeating, he has great argumentation, logic, reason. He will defeat these.” So, then they told the digvijayīs, sent him a message that he should come and defeat his sons. He said, “What, I’m gonna go and discuss with your sons? Beneath my dignity to speak to just some young guys.  You will get some leading Vaiṣṇava, I will go and defeat him. Not just ordinary children. I won’t debate with some children.”  So, then they convinced one Bhagavān Ācārya. Bhāgavata-Ācārya, one Vaiṣṇava, pure devotee was there. He said, “Let us go. I will discuss with that digvijayī about Vaiṣṇava philosophy.” So that digvijayī came with all of his śāstras and thousands of disciples. And Bhāgavata Ācārya, he came and they had a discussion. It wasn’t very difficult for Bhāgavata Ācārya to convince that there is a Supreme Absolute Truth. The Absolute Truth is the origin of everything.  Janmādy asya yataḥ. Since this material world has got quality, the Absolute Truth must have some quality. Otherwise where does the quality come from? The Vedas are saying that these qualities are coming from the Absolute. Absolute is the field of quality, but His quality is transcendental, there’s no beginning and no end. And this material world is temporary, it has beginning, it has end. Having knowledge of the Absolute Truth is the supreme knowledge. Having knowledge of the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the supreme knowledge of the Absolute Truth. That digvijayī, he never heard of the Vaiṣṇava philosophy before. He had no way to defend himself, he didn’t have any logic, there was so much śāstric evidence for whatever was being said by the Vaiṣṇava ācārya. He admitted, “I am defeated.” Now usually, before, if someone was defeated, he would accept the other person as his guru. It was a system. But he started a new thing.  This is another Kali-yuga. He said, “Alright I am giving up being a paṇḍita, I am giving up all my disciples. And I am just going to wander around the world as a beggar, because I have been defeated.”  Not that he didn’t accept, he was defeated. He didn’t have the answer. But neither did he accept to practice Kṛṣṇa consciousness. This is the defect in Kali-yuga, simply by arguing you might defeat someone, but they may not agree to come. They just become bitter and frustrated. That’s why Lord Caitanya has said that simply by argument one cannot learn this, one has to actually open the consciousness and listen. Then you get the transcendental knowledge. So he was a person who was defeated, he didn’t get the knowledge. Those boys, they have the knowledge. The Vaiṣṇava ācārya had the knowledge. But this digvijayī, he was a prejudiced, he didn’t open his consciousness, so he couldn’t get the knowledge.

Prabhupāda told the story how there were two people arguing, one person was saying it’s one, the other was saying it’s two. They got into so heated argument that one person started beating, “No, it's  one!”

“No, it's two!”

So they are having a big fight, “You beat me but it's still two!”

“No, I say it’s one.”

Finally, one man took him over to the water and put him under the water and then he said, “Alright it’s one?”

“Two!”

“Alright.” Put him under the water again. The man from under the water, out came the hand, two. Even if he is drowning, he is dying. This way sometimes people are very stubborn and they don’t listen, they don’t learn, they just want to stick with whatever they are doing. But one who is more intelligent, he has to be realistic about things and actually try to understand from those who know, who have this knowledge. Otherwise they will meet the same fate as the richest frog in the world.  You know that example. You know the example of the richest frog in the world?

*Gurudeva interacting with devotees*

You see, there was a beautiful lake. It was known as the Frog Lake. It was filled with frogs. It had a big place where every day the king’s elephant would be given a bath. you have seen in the Guruvāyur temple in South India, big elephant place they have, and everyday they do different processions, 3,4,5 times a day. But there are minimum 3. So like that a king used to have elephants in old days. Temples are still having. In Māyāpur we have two elephants. Now in the winter, every Saturday night they go on procession around the park with the Deities on top of the elephant. So, then this elephant used to go every day to be bathed by the mahout, by the caretaker, then they would go back. One day, one very intelligent frog was jumping around under the water and he happened to come across a half rupee coin. On those days, half a rupee coin was quite a bit of money because there was not so much inflation. There would be enough food for the family for some days. Anyway, half rupee. He then jumped on top of the half rupee and claimed it. “This is mine. Finders keepers! Now I have more money than any other frog.” The other frogs, they don’t have any money. So he declared, “Now, I am the richest frog in the world. What other frog has money? Have you ever seen a frog with money? They don’t even have a Singapore dollar or their name, or a cent.  So, he was having half a rupee so he became very wealthy. He announced to all the other frogs that, “Look, now I am the richest frog in the world.” Few frogs came around, they were quite impressed.

“Well, look at that! How does it feel to be rich? What you are gonna do for us now that you’re rich.”

“Don’t worry. I won’t forget about you. I am going do something for the frog nation, I am going to promote frog-ism. Let all the frogs in the world be benefitted.  I will see every frog gets a fly in their pot.”

Some frogs said, “We have very big problem!”

“What’s that?”

“The elephant! He comes in and swishes around the water, and all the frogs get scattered here and there.”

“Alright, I the richest frog in the world do hereby give the decree that from this day forward no elephants will be allowed in Frog Lake.” *applause* All the frogs were cheering, “It was wonderful!”, “Glories to you!” He was feeling very proud. “You are taking care of all the problems.” But then the elephants started to come with the elephant keeper. The other frogs say, “Well, here comes the elephant. Now what are you gonna do? You have to say ‘No elephants’”

“Don’t you recognize me? I am the richest frog in the world. Stop elephant!” Elephants don’t even stop for dogs, what to speak of frogs?  Neither do they understand frog language. Elephant is walking along, *dum dee dum* swaying along. The other frogs said,  “Elephant is not stopping! What about your decree?” Then the richest frog in the world, he jumped and landed on the leg of the  elephant. “Stop, stop! Don’t go any further”. The elephant couldn’t even feel the frog. The frog fell off the elephant’s leg, under the ground. In the next step, elephant’s foot went on top of the frog. The frog got squished! And the elephant didn’t even know what happened. Just went walking on, went to that lake. All the other frogs looked around, “So much for the richest frog in the world. Let’s go back to the lake where we belong.” Sometimes people get some fame or power, or some kind of facility, and they forget to compare. What is the elephant? Elephant is like time. Who can stand in the face of time? Recently in China they are celebrating the Mao Tse Tsung Centennial, but twenty years ago they had changed everything he did, once he passed away. Even he thought he would live forever. Any human beings, they all get smashed by time. Time is the crusher for everyone.  So here this frog, he got little bit of material accumulation, he thought he was gonna change the whole world, but he got smashed by time, smashed by the elephant.

Like that, we see people they get so much temporary knowledge, but they don’t know what is the eternal life is what is the self, what is time. If they had this transcendental knowledge, they can then actually transcend these difficulties. Bodies get crushed by time, but ātmā, the self, never dies.  Lord Caitanya requested his followers to go out and tell people this chanting of

Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare
Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare

because by this they will be saved from birth, death, old age, disease, suffering. By chanting, a person, after this lifetime, they go back to Kṛṣṇa. They don’t come back to this material world by chanting and studying the Bhagavad-gītā. This is the December month, it is the Bhagavad-gītā month, when Bhagavad-gītā was spoken by Lord Kṛṣṇa to Arjuna. He is giving this transcendental knowledge so that Arjuna can be saved from the sufferings. Duryodana was something like that frog, he didn’t want to listen to anybody, he got crushed. But Arjuna, he was very fortunate, and he listened to Kṛṣṇa’s advice in the form of Bhagavad-gītā, and he achieved all success. He became the emperor of the world, he became one of the most important people in the world. But he never lost his spiritual vision.  It’s not that Kṛṣṇa doesn’t want his devotees to have wealth, or power, or fame. He wants them to have these things, but not at the cost of their transcendental knowledge. If someone has transcendental knowledge, then they can use all those things in a proper way. If the material energy is engaged in the service of Kṛṣṇa, it becomes spiritualized, it becomes the cause of the deliverance of the conditioned souls. But if the material energy is simply used for the sense gratification, how to gratify the senses, it rather creates for us bad karmas. we become more and more entangled in those karmas, and although in the beginning we are having happiness, in the end we have to suffer for that. Sometimes people, they get married with great enthusiasm, but because of lack of spiritual knowledge and proper Kṛṣṇa conscious perspective, then the whole thing turns sour and becomes a source of misery.

There was one Ātmadeva, who wanted to have a son, but couldn’t get a son until one sannyāsī gave him a blessing. He got a son somehow or another, but then the son turned out to be so horrible. He robbed from the parents, he would go and he would do all horrible things. Then the father would say, “How much happier I was without son! It’s worse to have a bad son than no son.” So that is the duality of the material world. So one with transcendental knowledge in these dualities of the material world knows how to move in the material world and not get entangled.  Just like this material world has been described as the net of a spider. Kṛṣṇa is like the one who weaves the net. Does the spider get caught in the web? You ever saw the spider get caught in his own web? Spider doesn’t get caught. Did you see the flies get caught? What about the baby spiders,  do they get caught?  Baby spiders also crawling on the same net but they don’t get caught.  So when you become a devotee of Kṛṣṇa, you get this transcendental knowledge so that you don’t get caught in the net of māyā, of illusion. So that you can be protected from that bondage. So that you can achieve unlimited happiness. You get the supreme spiritual peace.  Before, a few great souls would get that knowledge. But Lord Caitanya wanted everyone to get. He said, “Let everyone have this. Why should anyone suffer?” There is democracy now and everyone should get equal chance. Lord Caitanya wanted everyone, let them all get this opportunity to get the supreme peace. Why should it only be the few great priests and kings? Let everyone get the chance. Let the businessmen, let the workers, let the housewives, let everyone get the chance.  Whoever wants it. Of course, the devotees, by giving Bhagavad-gītā, by giving this knowledge, they are giving the greatest jewel. But if you walk up to someone and you say, “Here, I wanna give you a diamond!” They might think he is joking. Nobody is gonna give a big diamond. Big diamond’s worth a hundreds of thousand million dollars. Who is going to give me a diamond? Maybe it's a piece of glass. Maybe it is not real diamond. People like, doubt. These devotees are trying to give the greatest of all gifts. People, they can’t even appreciate it. They doubt. How could it be, such a good thing, how could somebody give it away? How could  somebody be so good? We have a restaurant in St. Lewis, in America. In the beginning, they started giving out free food . Nobody was coming. Free food must not be any good. So then they started charging, okay, dollar a half all you can eat. So many people came. Very good deal! Pay something, then it’s okay. Economically it works out, then it’s good. If free, people think, ‘Free… why are they giving out free?’ But if we were to put a price on the Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, anything we put would be an insult. It will be worth billions or more than that. We can’t put a price. It’s more than anything in the whole material world. So, we just have to give the holy name just like that, although we still do sometimes take donation for prasādam. Somehow devotees, they convince others. Although it should be easy, you are giving out something so wonderful. But in Kali-yuga it’s not as easy as it sems. Somehow or other people are getting this opportunity by reading the Bhagavad-gītā, by associating with devotees, by coming to temple, they are getting some transcendental knowledge, then they can understand, ‘Oh this is very nice! I should chant

Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare
Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare

On transcendental knowledge: You see one of the glories of chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa—vidyā vadhū jīvanaṁ. It is the life of transcendental knowledge, it gives the person the capacity to get transcendental knowledge. Just like say someone has got no appetite but there is some Chinese and some Indian medicine you can take. Take that, it will create some fire in the stomach and give you appetite, isn’t? Those who are suffering with lack of appetite, if they take some herbs, it will help to get appetite. This chanting increases your ability to digest transcendental knowledge, it gives that appetite, it gives that knowledge. The knowledge starts to come by itself. If you are presenting yourself very humbly, that alone is very good characteristic to get the mercy of Lord Caitanya. He said whoever is the most unqualified, I will deliver him first. Even the ācāryas have got all the good qualities. They are very learned, they are sons of princes, sons of kings, of great prime ministers. But they are completely presenting themselves that, ‘I am the most unqualified person, I have no qualification, I am most fallen, I should get the mercy first’, because that’s the secret to get Lord Caitanya’s mercy. If someone sincerely feels ‘I have no qualification’, that is a very good qualification to get the mercy of Lord Caitanya. He is known as Bhūridā. He wants to help the suffering people. Just like there are many philanthropists, they want to help who needs their help most, isn’t it? So, Lord Caitanya, He wants to give just not ordinary welfare, but he wants to give something which will totally uplift the people, give them spiritual upliftment, which will give them peace of mind, which will  make their whole life—in all aspects—auspicious. By chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, you can get that mercy.  Also one time, there was a devotee in the Kumbha-melā, 1971. I remember he asked Prabhupāda, “How is it I could get Kṛṣṇa consciousness? Because I have no qualification, I have no education, I have done so many wrong things in my life. I don’t see any good quality to me. How is it I can come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness and get this very good fortune?”

Then Śrīla Prabhupāda said,

“Because I have made your good fortune for you. I have made your good fortune.”

Prabhupāda is praying to Kṛṣṇa to deliver the fallen souls. Sometimes so many devotees are praying to Kṛṣṇa to please have mercy on this candidate. Prabhupāda’s blessings are like that. Guru is also blessing like that. So sometimes simply by the blessing of guru and Kṛṣṇa, one becomes very learned, even otherwise we have no qualification. You are very fortunate!

Question: The last verse in Bhagavad-gītā where Sañjaya said wherever there is Kṛṣṇa and Arjuna, there is fame fortune etc. My question is that Sañjaya, instead of telling Dhṛtarāṣṭra that you can be liberated, why did Sañjaya was telling him to get these material opulence like fame, victory. Why didn’t he say that you go to the forest?

Jayapatākā Swami: You see, Sañjaya says that I have heard the conversation of two great souls Kṛṣṇa and Arjuna, and so wonderful is that message that my hair is standing on end.  He was appreciating the spiritual input, his hairs were standing on end. He is speaking to Dhṛtarāṣṭra how much Dhṛtarāṣṭra can understand. He is explaining that by the mercy of Vyāsa, I have heard this most confidential talks directly from the master of all mysticism. Etad guhyam ahaṁ param yogaṁ yogeśvarāt kṛṣṇāt (Bg. 18.75)—the lord of all yogic opulence was speaking personally to Arjuna. So, he knew that Kṛṣṇa was the Supreme. He is remembering the wonderful form of Kṛṣṇa. So then finally he is saying (Bg. 18.78)

yatra yogeśvaraḥ kṛṣṇo
yatra pārtho dhanur-dharaḥ
tatra śrīr vijayo bhūtir
dhruvā nītir matir mama

Wherever there is Kṛṣṇa, the master of all the mystics, wherever there is Arjuna, the supreme archer, there will also be Śrī, opulence. Opulence, not only material opulence, spiritual opulence. There will be victory, the extraordinary power of morality. This is not the end in all statement. Consider the beginning of the whole Bhagavad-gītā. It starts off about who is going to win. Dhṛtarāṣṭra wants to know what’s going to happen? He is blind, so he is asking Sañjaya, “What’s happening in the battle? Who is going to win? What is the indication?” Arjuna went out. He said he didn’t want to fight. The whole discussion happened. Now at the end Arjuna surrendered to Kṛṣṇa, said, “Okay, I will fight!” So the concluding word, you have to consider the whole context of Bhagavad-gītā. So when he is saying wherever there is Kṛṣṇa and Arjuna, there’s all opulence, all power, there’s all victory. So indirectly he is telling Dhṛtarāṣṭra that, “Just forget it. Your sons are on the wrong side”, in that context. But there is so many other indications of the spiritual wonder of the whole Bhagavad-gīta. So we are also bringing that in the focus, in the context of the discussion going on with Dhṛtarāṣṭra, that he only wants to know who is going to win.

Śrīmad Bhagavad-gītā ki! 

Devotees: Jaya!

Śrīla Prabhupāda ki! Jaya!

Devotees: Jaya!