19820817 Childhood Pastimes of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu

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The following is a lecture on the Childhood Pastimes of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu given by His Holiness Jayapatākā Swami Mahārāja on August 17, 1982 – in Stockholm, Sweden.

You were discussing about the childhood pastimes, the nabadi pastimes of Chaitanya Mahāprabhu. Just briefly at the end. You may remember that Mother Yaśodā and Mother Satchi are non different. But Mother Satchi doesn’t remember that she was Mother Yaśodā. But Caitani Mahabhu can remember that he’s Kṛṣṇa. That’s the difference. Bhagavad Gītā describes the honey. Me, Bhatitaani Janmani Tawatarajuna. What’s the rest of us? We both have undergone so many different births. But you forget and I don’t. I remember all my words but you forget. So Chaitanya Mahadu, he appears. He remembers his previous birth. But Mother Satchi, she can’t remember. So there was one incident where Mother Satchi had a dream. And this dream gave her a lot of confusion. She was very disturbed by the dream. So she came to her Sonya da Caitanya Mahāprabhu and requested that what is the meaning of the day?

The dream she explained to Lord Caitanya was the previous night when she was sleeping. She saw that there her little Kṛṣṇa Balaram deities were. And she had placed that bhoga in front of the deity. The offerings. When she went back to get something, she came back into the deity room. There just at the doorway, she was standing in front of Kṛṣṇa Balaram. She saw Chaitanya Nithyananda. Just as five year old little boys naked, talking with Kṛṣṇa Balaram Nithyananda was arguing with Balaran. Nithyananda said, you can’t have this Bhoga. And Balaram was saying no, this is for Kṛṣṇa, we must have it. Nithyananda was saying, no, you can’t have it. I won’t allow you to have it. Balaram saying that no, this should be given. Nithyananda said that Kṛṣṇa’s age is gone. Now is Chaitanya’s age. This Bhoga is for him, not for you.

In this way they were having an argument and Nithyananda was claiming that all the bhoga does not go to Kṛṣṇa has to go to Chetananda. So Mother Satchi was a bit baffled seeing this dream. Suddenly Lord Nityānanda came to her, ran up to her and said Mother Sachi, feed me, I am hungry. Then she woke up. She was completely startled. What does this mean? Might have some meaning deities. So she asked Lord Caitanya very innocently, did Lord Caitanya send that? Well, this means two things. One is that your deities are very active. Jagurtu. Jagurtu means like alive. Kind of very lively, spunky. The exact translation of Jagratha is very difficult. Jagratha comes from Jeevan to be alive. Of course, every Devī is alive. But Jagrata means very much manifesting that liveliness. So this is that first reason. The second reason.

I think you should invite Nithyananda for lunch. He must be hungry. So I will go and invite Nityānanda to come here for lunch. And you can prepare him for Shannon and we will take together. She was very happy when Lord Chaitanya answered all the questions. So Lord Caitanya, he went over, strolled over to Śrīvāsa’s house where Nithyananda was. So at that time that morning Nityānanda was. He took a run across the land and went over to the Ganges side. Sometimes he had a habit of swimming across the Ganges. He swam to the other side and there were some children playing there. He went and said, oh, everyone chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Then he jumped back in the water again, swam back. So then he came back to Śrīvas. Lord Shaytan Yasser is waiting a long time for you. You have to.

We’re going to invite you today to come and take meals at our house. You will be able to come? Of course. When you’re asking me to come, how can I refuse? I have to go. But Lord Chaitanya said. Alright. But one thing. No funny business. Chinanda became very offended. Funny business? I don’t do any funny business. Atmanam man, Nitāi, Jagat. Speak for yourself. You’re doing the funny business this way. They were having jovial talks. They strolled off together and went back to Mother Sachi’s. So mother said. She was so ecstatic in her Vātsalya Ras. You know there are five Rasas. Dashanta, Dāsya, Sakya, Vasalya and Madhurja. Neutrality, servitude, friendship, parental and conjugal. So. Sir, we can’t play back for you. So Mother Satchi is naturally in the Vātsalya, the parental love.

So her highest satisfaction is derived by serving the Lord, providing him food, dressing him. Any type of parental activity. She derives supermost ecstasy. So when she was serving and preparing, she was so happy, completely in ecstasy that she practically became just intoxicated in love for Godhead. So when she came in to lay the plates down, somehow she put down three plates. Even though there were only two of them. Even today no one knows why she put down three. Maybe some great Acharya has understood why she put three down. But she put three down. But we just take it that it was her ecstasy. So she came out, she brought in the rice. She brought in the various abjis. You know, Lord Caitanya loved leafy vegetables. Especially those that grew wild in the forest. There’s one leafy green vegetable called kurma, Kulma sak.

It only grows on the top of lotus ponds. It grows between the lotus. It’s a creeper that grows above the water between lotus flowers. That’s one of his favorites. Another favorite of his is Helen, which also simply grows wild. Doesn’t generally just grows around the houses and things like that. You have to plant it sometimes. And just by taking that Helingsa saat, it says that it can just start the love for Godhead. It’s a very rare prasad. Might import a few of those. So she put the prasad on some of the plates, went back to get more. When she came back to the doorway, she looked in. Nitaigor were gone. Instead. Nittaigor had again reduced in size to 5 years, 6 years in age. And they were sitting there naked with four arms.

And they were looking more like Kṛṣṇa and Balaram than like Nita Ngaur. Because Lord Caitanya had become blue in color. And then again Nithyananda had become white. Looking just like Kṛṣṇa Bhar with four arms. And they were just playing, feeding each other with the prasad. She looked in. She couldn’t believe her eyes. What was she seeing? As soon as she saw that, she just fell just like a rod and fainted and smacked right down the ground. She was unconscious. Lord Caitanya jumped up in his original form to arm golden color. Mother. Mother, what happened? As if nothing had happened. Mother, what happened? Why did you fall down? And then when mother sat, she came conscious. She looked and she saw. There’s Chaitanya, there’s Nithinanda. And she suddenly started bawling, crying.

She just ran up, stood up and ran into our room and locked the door. She wouldn’t speak to anyone the rest of the day. These are some of the pastimes that were going on between Mother Satchi and Mother Caitanya. Too bad you missed the first part. Sounded like a good one. You have heard about the pastime of Lord Caitanya when he was with his students. You know, Lord Caitanya was the greatest scholar. He was the greatest pandit. In fact, just as Lord Kṛṣṇa came and he had sometime he was playing like Rāma came for Khadri above. He was showing the mood of Being a king. And when Kṛṣṇa came, he was a little bit of everything. He was a cowherd boy and then he was also the Katriya. And even he was a student in the ashram of Sandevanepoon, living just like a Brahman.

So Kṛṣṇa was rid of everything, but especially that his cowherd pastimes as a cowherd boy were very prominent. So Lord Caitanya, his particular mood, especially the Brahmanras intellectual Vidya vilash. In his childhood he was very expert at arguing on the basis of scripture, on the basis of logic, on the basis of reason, on any basis that there is. He was expert at it. And no one could defeat him in any shastra or just logic or grammar or whatever it may be. So Lord Caitanya had already a few disciples. That means students of grammar and Sanskrit. So sometimes he’d go for a stroll in Navaddy and then one day he was walking and there he saw this is only just 11 to 14. He’s just a young boy. He’s not yet manifested his powers. At 11 he was already a master.

This was his unusual expertise at such a young age. He already became a master when most are just playing around. So he’d be walking and he saw that there is Mukunda now Mukhanda and others, they hadn’t joined Lord Chaitanya. They knew about Nimāi Pandit but they were attracted to him. But they’re thinking that who is this Nimāi Pandit? He’s just very proud. So Lord Chetan, he called to Mukunda, come on. Why you are hiding from me? Mukunda. Mukunda, how are you? And then so Mukunda was thinking, why this Lord Chaitanya, my pontiff, he’s simply grammar into the poetry of Sanskrit. Grammar and poetry. Poetry is considered to be grammar. Anyone? Just as any imagine any language. Swedish, English, whatever it may be. To know the grammar is one thing, but to be able to compose poetry is a higher skill.

Similarly, in Sanskrit, to compose poetry, kaabya that is considered to be at higher level. So you’re thinking this Nimāi Panda, he’s just a grammarian. They’re always discussing grammar. They’re not going into even that poetic side this time that I am going to show him. Enough of his challenge. I am going to show him, I have been studying grammar. I have been studying poetry. Now I know. So then he just said, listen, you are just studying with all your students grammar. Now I am going to so and so. And I Am learning poetry. I don’t have time for you anymore. So Chaitanya Mahabhu had a way of speaking in a very sweet way. No, of course, we are just studying grammar. No doubt. But we know some poetry is there. You can compose any poem. And we will be very glad to hear your poetry this way very nicely.

He just set up Mukunda for being smashed Makhanda. He composed one poetry. Lord Caitanya said, very good. And just like he tore apart the Keshav Kashmiri, could you just explain to us all the defects in that poetry and all the good qualities? Naturally no one composes poetry knowing that there’s any defect. So what defect he’s going to admit? So then Lord Chaitanya he took apart the poetry and showed all the defects, all the good points, this, that and then recomposed it for him in a nicer way and patted him on the back, said Come on, tomorrow we will be waiting for you. And went off with his student Makunda. If he was only a devotee then if he would just be a devotee. He wasn’t just so proud like that. If he was a pure devotee, I’d be with him. Just too ostentatious.

That was different. Rasas. In those days no one could know that pick out who Chaitanya Mahāprabhu was. The older devotees in Navadvi, like Śrīvas and others, they took that Śrīch Caitamy. If only he was a devotee, pure devotee, why is he wasting his time arguing and showing off his intellectualism. They’d sometime come up Śrīvas and chastise. Sivas is very old compared to Lord Chaitani and say just chastise that why you just don’t give up all this arguing, all this logic. You just become pure devotee and worship Kṛṣṇa. And Lord Caitanya would say, yes, I want to, I want that. But I haven’t found my spiritual master yet. So you bless me that I can find a bona fide spiritual master. Just a few days. I think if Kṛṣṇa is kind to me then I will also be able to become a pure devotee.

You all Vaishnavas bless me like that. He would always treat everyone very nicely. He’d go on and continue his. Just as Lord Kṛṣṇa was going on with his cowherd sports he was going on enjoying with his Brahminical proclivities. So then Lord Caitanya was walking and there he saw Gadadhar. He said Gadadhar, Gadahar. Why are you running away? Come on back. And as soon as they see Lord Caitanya, they said, oh no. Because they knew that he’s going to get me now he’s going to corner me. See there, you know, on that Brahminical platform, it was sure, surrender. You have to. Because in those days, anyone who had more learning, you just had to submit.

Even what to speak of others, any Bhattacharya, any of these Brahmin acharya just said, if they saw Lord Caitani Nimāi Punit come out of their house, look out, and there they see Nimāi, they start to shake. They knew that now look where they can run, where they can hide. Because although they were older, he was so young, he would just ask them one question and that question they knew that then they are finished. Whatever answer they give. Then he would smash the answer and then prove some other point. So Gadara, he just saw Lord Caitanya too late. And he just saw it. He couldn’t escape anywhere. So he was thinking that. It was already too late. So then Lord Chaitanya came out. I just have one question to ask you. Just one question. I had a question.

You could probably help me out, followed by so many other students. And he said, just could you explain to me the meaning of mukti? So then Gaddad Hart, what could you do? You see? So then Gaddad Hart, he explained well, he quoted some verse from Sanskrit that mukti means the cessation of all material misery and cessation of birth and death. This is Mukti, Lord Chaitanya said, very bad, very incomplete. This is not the proper understanding of liberation. Then he extolled, liberation means actually to achieve the allotted street of Kṛṣṇa. He knew the Vaishnava tattva. But in spite of that, he was. Of course, he knew everything. But he would preach Vaishnava of his name, preacher. But in practice, he was still going on with this type of scholastic pursuit. Of course, he was only 11, 12 years old.

So then he preached to Gadadhar that what is the real meaning of mukti? He said, why don’t you come over? Why don’t you? I don’t see you anymore. And so, because Gadadhar was cornered like that, so he said, all right, I will see you tomorrow. He was also thinking that why, if he was just more actively preaching, I’d be really desirous of being with him all the time like this. Lord Caitanya, he would sit by the side of the Ganges. And day by day, tens and tens of students would come and Just surrender and say, we want to accept you as our Sanskrit guru. And this way he had hundreds and hundreds of students. Even he was just a young boy. But of course, as a young boy he was already very tall. And he would teach for about six hours.

Then he would go take a bath in the Ganges. Then again, sometimes he would go strolling with his students. And sometimes then he’d go. Then later in the afternoon he’d go home or late morning go home, early afternoon he would, after taking his bath he’d do shaligram pūjā. It was a paka Brahmin acting like that. Do his pure Vishnu pūjā, Shaligram pūjā. Then say his Gayatri and everything. And then he would sit down and mother Satchi would serve him prashad. Sometimes later when he was married, his wife Vishnu Priya, Lakshmi Priya at that time was Lakshmi priya would serve him prashadam. This way he was fasting his day. Then again he’d go out in the town and meet friends. Sometimes Lord Chetan, he would be walking through the streets and different parts of Namadvip.

And he was practically Namadva was a center of learning and he was the top. He had already, just like a digby jay, he’d go, anyone came, he would immediately exert his. Like a kind of. What do you call that? Rajasuya Aswamed when they. Was it when they send the horses out to Rajasuya or the aswamed, just anyone coming, he just challenge and conquer. So by this time he was already established. So when he would come in any part, just like some places, there was the handloomer. So the handloomer would see Lord Caitanya, please come. Set Lord Caitanya down and say, lord Caitanya, what can I offer you today? So then he would call Prabhupāda, said he’s a very good dresser. So he’d bring in all different kinds of cloth.

He’d put on a new set, say, you know, thank you know, I am a very poor Brahman. I don’t have any money, can’t afford much. And he would just charm everyone like this all night. Some other time, anytime he wanted to give something, he’d go. And then he’d go. And then the cowherd boys would call him, come. And he’d sit them down. And then Lord Chet said, what milk products you have today? Where’s the rasgullas? Where’s the sun dish? Where’s the yogurt? Where’s the milk, the condensed milk. What have you brought? Then they’d come out and bring out some offerings. And Lord Caitanya said, you know, I am just a poor Brahmin. I don’t have anything. It’s our pleasure. Service to the Brahmanas. Lord Caitanya be walking. And then the flower garland maker would call him and sit him down, offer his obeisances.

Sai brought this garland and garland. Lord Caitanya. Lord Chaitanya, I don’t have any money. This way. As Lord Caitanya went, he’d go all around the town and everyone would beg Lord Chaitanya covenant. And then they would offer worship. Just kind of like when Kṛṣṇa would go with the cows and all the different gopīs and gopas, they were watching and enjoying. And sometimes he would be stealing their butter. The Lord Caitani would come and somehow or another he’d get everyone to give something. He wouldn’t give him anything. For that one place he sat down there was an astrologer. He’s known as Sarvagya. So Lord Chaitanya said, sir, as you are astrologer, you know everything. Can you tell me what is my previous birth? So then the astrologer started to look. He was very baffled. All of a sudden he saw that there was Kṛṣṇa.

And Kṛṣṇa was playing with the cowherd boys. And he saw a whole vision of Brindavan. He said, what does this Brahmin have besides some mystic power? He’s making me see visions of Kṛṣṇa. He kept on looking. And then he saw there was Ramchandra. He said, now what is he doing? Now what am I doing? It’s Ramchandran. It looks like that’s Rahman and Hanuman. And then he kept on looking. And then he started seeing Braha and Nirshingha and different avatars. And he says, what’s going on? And then he thought that this Nimāi. He just cast some spell over me. He couldn’t see that. It was actually when he said, let me see. He chanted some Gopal mantra. Let me see his previous birth. And then it actually was seeing his previous birth.

But you see, by yoga Māyā, he couldn’t realize, put two and two together, that this was in fact Kṛṣṇa himself who had come as Chaitanya. This time Kṛṣṇa was in Vrindava. Nobody knew he was the supreme Lord. Is Kṛṣṇa the son of Nandamara? Nandulao? When that little boy would say that Kṛṣṇa has killed a big demon. How can Kṛṣṇa is a little boy. How can he kill such a big demon? No, no, we have seen it. He picked him up and bam. Snozed little Kṛṣṇa. How is it possible? Nobody in Vrindava could think that Kṛṣṇa is God. That’s the Yoga Māyā. All little boys, they knew that Kṛṣṇa until Giriga Vardhana came. Even then, Yoga Māyā was such that while Kṛṣṇa is lifting up the whole mountain, the cowherd boys are thinking that Kṛṣṇa’s arm must be aching. Let us massage it.

And they are saying that come on, let us at least switch your arms so we can massage one arm. Or if you don’t want to, at least let Śrī Dam hold it for a while we massage. Sakya means that the friend sees each other just as a friend. They think this is equal. Kṛṣṇa can hold it and Śrī Ram can hold it like that. And then, you know, so then they’re upholding with their stick. They’re just pushing. Oh, I will help you out. That is a Sakya BHA and Vasali think that with I don’t feed Kṛṣṇa, he will starve. Kṛṣṇa depended upon me. Servitude means he’s always thinking that I have to serve whatever he orders me, I must do. So these different rasas are there. So just think how fortunate these residents of Vrindavan were our residents of Navadvip at that time.

They were able to see Lord Chaitanya. They were able to serve him like that. And then Lord Chaitanya after touring the town like that again he’d go down and sit by the Ganges side. And all the students would be there. You see, Sometimes he would challenge anyone. Gives me an argument, anything. You just tell me no. So they somewhat put forward argument. He went defeated. So now you prove. This is my. You defeated. So now you prove it wrong. It’s impenetrable. So then he would defeat his own argument and establish again the original argument of that person. Now you defeat that argument. And they couldn’t defeat it. This was his ability. So he challenged that anyone can give any argument to me. I challenge. I will defeat it and prove it wrong. And then again I will prove it correct.

And again you won’t be able to deny that was his challenge. And in Sanskrit grammar and logic, that’s a separate field. Of course. That’s a type of logic field. So using logic, he was really expert like that. While he would be doing it, all the people, they’d just be absorbed in him. They couldn’t. They couldn’t think of anyone else. And he would teach them Sanskrit by using the Names of Kṛṣṇa. And when Lord Caitanya was like that, surrounded by all of his students, he said there were three descriptions that were given. Three descriptions that were given. One description was the sun, the moon surrounded by stars. Another description was given Brihaspati, the spiritual master of the demigod, surrounded by all the demigod students. And one more. You’re slipping me.

And anyway, all three of those, just the third one might come back in a second. They’re all considered to be inadequate. All considered to be adequate. At least those two. Can you say why they’re inadequate? Why is Kṛṣṇa surrounded by. Why is the moon surrounded by the stars an inadequate analogy for Lord Caitanya being surrounded by all of his devotees? Anyone can say, you don’t talk. Many moons. Many moons happen to be such a comparison of material. That’s how about what’s the defect analogy might be there. What is the inadequacy in the analogy? Every analogy has got some good and bad points. But this analogy is definitely inadequate. Why remember or since you’re so smart, remember the third point. One more time. The moon surrounded by the stars is an inadequate analogy because of some defect in that analogy. Why it is inadequate?

What you’re saying is not wrong, but it’s neither the answer. Because you see, the moon is going through changes, full moon waning, waxing like that. But Lord Caitanya is always fully effulgent. And the moon also has got some spots. But Lord Caitanya, he’s got absolutely no imperfection whatsoever. Then why Brihaspati surrounded by the demigods is an inadequate example. What is the defect in that analogy? You can say, Yes, they have material bodies, but projects are not. I will give you a hint. It’s in the mood. What is the difference of the mood? If you meditate, then you might.

Yes, the demigods, they usually worship God by all man reverence. They worship God by some. If your devotee does not do that.

You see Bihaspati demigods, they are a bit sectarian. They only allow the demigods to come there. He doesn’t allow the demons to come, but Lord Chaitanya, he’s allowing demons, demigods, everyone. He’s more magnanimous than Bihaspati. Very sorry that I can’t just recall that third analogy. Anyway, that was also inadequate. So it was the finally come that there’s only one suitable analogy which I didn’t mention at all. Can anyone, without speculating, So it’s described. There’s only one possible analogy that could be used from Kṛṣṇa Leela. What would that be? So that was Kṛṣṇa, just like when Kṛṣṇa was surrounded by all of the. By all of the Gopīs and they were simply absorbed in looking at Kṛṣṇa is the only near analogy that could be held. Lord Caitanya, he was surrounded by all.

And that said that in Kṛṣṇa Leela the devotees come in female bodies, many of them, while in Caitanya Leela they’re all coming in male bodies. So they’re just all completely enraptured with Lord Caitanya going around with him. So that is the only possible. That vision when he’s sitting on the Ganges side there and he’s surrounded by all of his devotees, just like Kṛṣṇa and Vrindaban surrounded by all of the devotees, all of the Gopīs, he being in the center. So like that, Lord Caitanya was enjoying his pastimes for some time. And then of course, he went to Gaya and worshipped the Vishnu path, lotus feet of Vishnu. He met Ishwarapuri, took initiation. And from that time he began to manifest publicly his devotional mood at the great happiness of all the senior Vaishnavas and Navaj, like Advaita and Śrīvas and others.

So then he formally started his Sankirtan movement. His childhood proclivities of grammar and all these things he called to a close. So then Lord Caitanya, he would send his Sankirtan parties out through the whole of Navadvip. And after he had been thoroughly established as the greatest pandit, now he was establishing himself as the greatest devotee. And he was sending all of his followers, just like Nithyananda and Haridas, door to door, begging the people to take up the chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa Ka Kṛṣṇa Hare, Hare. Any questions? Yes. How many years was Narcitani and Lord Nanda together in Māyāpur before Rajasthaniyamata Prui? Roughly around eight. Just offhand, I would say very soon after he started his Sankirtan, you see, Nithyananda Prabhu was in Vrindavan, in Mathurā. And all the cow, the deer and peacocks, they were all just coming, licking his body.

Balaram had come back. He was enjoying being in Vrindavan so much. Then whoever was there, someone or. He said now he was thinking to himself that now Lord Caitandya has come. Now he started his Sankirtan. Now is the time I have to go and join him. Once Lord Caitanya returned from Gaya and he began his Sankirtan activities. At that time, Lord Nithyananda Knowing everything could know that Now I have to go and join him. Then he left Mathurā and headed for Navadip and joined Lord Chaitanya very soon after the Sankirtan began. If you want the exact date, I’d have to research. We are writing a place for the radio sometimes. And it would be very nice to also make some leaders from Chetania’s life. So. So could you maybe suggest a few where we can start to adopt suitable. I had Brahman stealing the.

I mean the offering. The offering. Making the offering and then again three times. Then I made a whole tape of that whole pastime and great detail. I think it’s been put in that ministry. I am not sure. Pretty sure. That’s a very nice one. I voice lord chaitanya. You know better, Kal Deshapatra how much the public can understand here. If they’re very regular listeners, they may understand more. Matches up childhood pastimes. Because Kṛṣṇaming everyone knew that he was the supreme personality of Godhead. Except for the residents of Vrindavan. So his past times people understand immediately that there are spiritual pastimes. That there actually is Līlā. But because Chaitanya came in disguise as a devotee and only occasionally did he reveal that he was actually an incarnation of Godhead. So his childhood is safe.

And people who are non devotees they have a harder time to understand the spiritual aspect of his childhood. Unless some background is understood. But who is Caitanya? But of course all the pastimes are nectarine. There’s no limit of transcendental bliss. Then. Yes.

I don’t know really how to answer past this question. But the one in one lecture I heard that one disciple or one kami asked Prabhupāda said to Prabhupāda that if Lord Chaitanya was really God, then he could have delivered the whole world and not only the living entities india. And then Prabhupāda answered no. He wanted me to have the credit. And then I read that Lord Chaitanya had delivered the whole universe. And then the universe. Universe. I still hope you can. The living ancestors. Can you tell a little about this? If it was just india or the whole universe or how. But it was.

Well, I take it that when you say deliver the whole world, meaning that establishing Kṛṣṇa consciousness throughout the whole world. So Lord Caitani at that time established Kṛṣṇa consciousness india. But he already predicted that the consciousness would be established throughout the whole world. So whenever the Lord appears in the universe, just by his presence, all the living entities get liberation of course, liberation and love for Godhead is different. Those who are directly part of his Sankirtan movement qualify for pure love for Godhead. Well, just being in the universe, when the Lord incarnates that can qualify one to become liberated at that time. But of course one could again fall down from the liberation if it’s in the Brahma Jyoti and not in the spiritual planets.

So Lord Caitanya especially established Sankirtan movement india, but established the Sankirtan movement for actually giving people pure love for Godhead. That he has allowed Rla Prabhupāda to give the credit to get the credit for doing that. So now you can also all take credit for making other parts of the countries and world on the left and help Rla Vishnu, Pad and Prabhupāda make those places. Kṛṣṇa Khan, so that people can actually get pure love for Godhead. Which is even more important than that liberation.

They mean that 500 years ago, actually the whole. This liberation. I heard that the whole universe was not like anything.

You know, liberation happens when a soul leaves the body transferred either to another body or to the Brahma Jyoti. So of all the souls that are in all the bodies, as all the bodies die, if the souls immediately are transferred because they’re dying in the presence of God, if they’re transferred to the Brahma Jyoti, then someone other soul comes in and takes the place. Just like if you have.

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To his intimate associates and devotees who were participating in the Sankirtan others, just by being present at that time, they could get liberation. He delivered them.

Well, for a devotee it’s hellish.

But for these non devotees, it’s a lot better off than being born again. I am just telling you the meaning of what the slope that you’re quoting means when it’s that you don’t should differentiate the two. Those who have any slightest desire for devotional service, why would Kṛṣṇa give them liberation? But there may be so many who are completely unqualified and don’t desire for devotional service. Just because Kṛṣṇa is present or Lord Caitanya or any avatar is present, they’re able to hear about him to get his darshan. They’re able to breathe the same air on the planet that he’s breathing so many things. So they get purified. This is something that is beyond our experimental purview. We only can accept the authority of the Vedas. They say when God incarnates, people get liberated. But we’re not interested in that liberation.

We want pure love for Godhead. Therefore, we’re trying to now develop our devotional service so that we can get.

Pure love for Kṛṣṇa.

Isn’t that the goal? Anything else? Yes. If that was cheating, it’s sort of Prasadam.

I mean.

What was that? Aren’t they the same? How can they be feeding each other Prashama if they’re the same? That was you.

Yeah.

No, they’re the same at the same time.

They’re not the same.

For that matter.

Kṛṣṇa and Balaram are the same.

There’s only one God. Kṛṣṇa and Balaram are the same. See, Kṛṣṇa expands. That’s his Prakash. Then again, he expands and makes the four Nayans. And they expand. But actually there’s only one personality of Gandhi. But then he assumes so many different roops. And each roop has got its own. Its form has got its own personality.

So that’s beyond our ability to conceive.

But the personality of Balaram, when assuming the mood of a devotee, becomes the Tinanda. The personality of Kṛṣṇa, when combining with Rādhā and assuming that Mudhav Rādhā becomes Chaitanya Matpa.

So once they assume that mood in that form, then they maintain they have some individuality. Just like every deity is a different form. They’re the same Kṛṣṇa, but yet they have different pastime. Then how Kṛṣṇa expands 16,108 forms, goes into 16,108 palaces in Dwarka. And with each queen he’s doing different and Each family and each palace is doing something different. And Rādhā Muni was touring around. In one palace he sees the Kṛṣṇa is playing chess. Next palace he goes, the Kṛṣṇa is getting dressed up to go out and spy, see what his subjects are doing. The next palace he goes and Kṛṣṇa.

Is arguing with his wife.

Next palace he goes, he’s playing with the kids. Next palace, every palace. And not only a completely independent and different mood and different. He knows as a yogī you can expand yourself into 10 forms, but the consciousness is one. It’s not that in 10 forms, one form is laughing and one is crying. That you may laugh or cry but consciousness will be one, any one of the ten. If you smash it, the whole ten will hurt. I mean the consciousness will hurt just like we have 10 fingers. But if you smash any one of them, it hurts, right? Because it’s all connected. So in that yogī, he can make 10 forms, but they’re connected, you see, they have 10 arms or 10 heads. So they can act like that. And he can manipulate.

But the mood, the emotion, this is one soul in ten forms. Emotionally one emotionally. He’s not ten different people, not ten different souls. But he’s only made ten bodies. And with one soul he’s able to maintain ten. That’s what the Yogī can do.

So he saw that Kṛṣṇa and each.

Place he was one, he’s crying one he’s laughing one he’s joking one he’s serious one, he’s, you know, judging something in the court.

This is not at all Yoga.

So this is a complete independent expansions, each pulling themselves. He became dumbfounded.

But this is Yogeshwar, this is beyond. You see, this is no only no.

No yogī or no, even perfected siddha or anyone like that can do such things. So beyond this liberated Jīva, this is only God can do something like that.

Make so many forms and each form is independent.

Yet when they all went out of.

The palace, all the 16,000 in Kṛṣṇa would come out.

And then they would see all 16,000 come and they’d all walk together and they’d become one. He’d get on his chariot and go over to the Sudharma Sabhan said with UBI Singh. When he come back, then he goes.

You explain how is it possible?

How is it? This is beyond our ability.

This is behind. He’s God.

Why we’re just, you know, pip squeaks, we have small fries. We have his infinitesimal atomic particle.

And he’s unlimited. What we have, he has. But he has a lot more Than what we had anything we have, he has plus unlimited more so for him there’s nothing that is, if we can think of it, you see or even what we cannot think of, he can.

Do it.

So when he would this is all this is very technical.

You can read the teaching of Lord Chaitan you will get some insight but basically.

It’S given just for a reference but like this Kṛṣṇa has various types of expansion Some are voibhav some are Prabhup some are Prakash some are voibav Prakash but in all these details in other words, some are just like Lord Chetan Like Kṛṣṇa makes all the different each one is Kṛṣṇa and each one has the personality of Kṛṣṇa this is one type of expansion Then there’s another type where he expands and is a different personality like Kṛṣṇa and the Balaram is altogether a different personality in many ways than Kṛṣṇa yet they’re the same person but he expanded in a different. That’s another type of expansion.

Then further Babad they have all the same potentials Prabhupāda said Kṛṣṇa and Balaram only difference is one is white, one is black they have the same potential but then you further expand into the Narayans, the Narasinghas and then they have some limited Their personalities are only in one aspect. Mother Sachi saw that very unusual dream of course that’s the type of pastime inconceivable pastime How? From Dwarpal Yuga and from that Kali Yuga they’re both together that Because Lord Chaitanya is very humorous he wanted to play a joke on his mother he saw her, showed her all those things. Just like Kṛṣṇa he told Rukmiṇī to even get another husband if he liked she didn’t take it like a joke she just fainted right on the spot Just like you see ornate people joke sometimes regional secretaries, temple presidents, everyone.

Sometimes they joke so that quality humans joke. So Kṛṣṇa also is joking but when he jokes, it’s in a type of. It can have any scope, any depth, there’s no limit. So here he’s joking by revealing transcendental forms to his mother, so on, so forth he’s joking. Which we cannot do. There’s a difference. So whatever we have that’s also written in the Infishna but when he does it’s perfect. When he does it’s perfected we do it in. Be good or bad or whatever Anything he does, good or bad, it becomes perfect. All good. He steals butter from the cowherd boys, the cowherd mothers and fathers There in Vrindavan, as a small boy, he’s still giving to the monkeys.

It’s not concerned that Kṛṣṇa is stealing, considering that this is his past time, that great sages are doing tapasya and they’re becoming monkeys and he’s stealing the butter and giving those sages in the form of monkeys and butter. And that great devotees have done so many austerities to become the cowherd boys and the cowherd elders and the elderly women there so that Kṛṣṇa can come and steal the butter from them. No devotee is thinking that because Kṛṣṇa is taking butter, therefore there’s anything wrong in it. Rather they’re thinking as a special kindness that he had such intimate pastimes and therefore they’re praying makhana, chola.

Kopibastrahara, so on.

So so many pastimes in there in Kṛṣṇa all the opposites are accommodated and made perfect. Therefore, devotee, this is good, that is bad. They don’t have to consider it all. Is it pleasing to Kṛṣṇa? Is it what Kṛṣṇa wants? Is it favorable to my devotional service to Kṛṣṇa? Is it authorized by the spiritual master? We give three, four tests like that. If it passes, we do it, if it doesn’t, we don’t do it. We don’t care to someone if the whole world says it’s good. If Kṛṣṇa doesn’t want it, guru doesn’t.

Want it, they don’t care.

And the whole world says this is very bad. Kṛṣṇa, guru wants to be given. Whole world may say, you have to eat meat, otherwise you won’t be healthy.

Who cares.

You will take prashad. That’s the only thing that Kṛṣṇa wants. And time will show that whatever Kṛṣṇa wants, that’s perfect. Their opinion is based on various flickering ideas. Doctors used to say you have to take meat, otherwise you can’t live, won’t get enough protein. Now they’re saying in the latest reports, they’re saying that due to eating too much meat, people are getting cancer, you should cut it down, that meat is an impractical thing to eat, that you have to feed so many grains to the cows or the other animals you butcher. The better you eat the grains yourself, the easier to digest and it’s much more efficient. And feed the cows and the other animals, less grains and more other type of grasses and fodders. When you eat the grain, Their theories may change.

One day they think this is good, next thing they will say, no, it’s bad, but our vision is ours, absolute. Whatever Guru Kṛṣṇa or scripture, whatever they are authorizing we know that’s good. Whatever favorable for propagating Kṛṣṇa consciousness, we accept.

What’s unfavorable, we reject.

Utility is the principle. On one side. Preaching is the essence.

Books are the basis. Purity is the force.

What do you think?

What time we have now? Quarter to 10.

What’s the question? Just saying.

Call it a day. No, just crouch.

That was a hint. We should call it a day, honey. Thank you.

Did you walk around anyway?

Well, we didn’t get past the third.

Hill, but we did get partway. It’s a huge building there. Do a lot with that.

Then you will be able to dance in. That floor is strong enough.

I am drifting to the tanks. If you want to kill me, I can take a few hundred.

Yeah, you can’t dance because it might shake up.

It’s like that one house they have in Switzerland.

They dance and start slipping down the hill. They were jumping and someone said, be careful, they’re trying to slip.

That’s a paper box. That’s a paper box.

This one doesn’t look like you have that problem.

Pretty solid.

Look. Ceiling’s low, so that’s probably good because.

Easier for heating.

This is ideal.

Lake and forest, fields. Buildings are already there. Don’t have to build many buildings.

There’s a lot of farms.

Sometimes many big hills, lands, all like this.

Can’t use much.

I haven’t seen any farm that has.

I saw in Brazil. There’s a farm that has a stream going through it.

And I think there’s a swimming hole in Uganda with a lake right in the right by the side of the farm. I haven’t seen offhand, I can’t say.

I have seen.

Anywhere else.

Maybe Toronto.

They bought a thing one time. I don’t know if they still have.

Wasn’t a farm, it was a group. It was a camp. Boy Scout camp or something. My friend. I have never seen that. So this is a very unique farm.

Have your own lake. I have seen many farms.

5, 10 years old. They don’t look as good as this. Only six months.

And then you can get a lot of the nice people in Sweden’s shelter. Simple living and high thinking.

Sa.