19770210 Room discussion on between H.H. Jayapatākā Swami and H.D.G. Śrīla Prabhupāda

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The following is a room discussion on between H.H. Jayapatākā Swami and H.D.G. Śrīla Prabhupāda, given on February 10, 1977 – in Vrindavan, India.

Just writing some notes. I was remembering the discussion we had. All of your disciples and you. When were considering whether we should go to Vrindaban or not. How were all giving different arguments. How were all giving different arguments, one side or the other. So I was remembering how I was just writing down some of the different arguments. Then we all concluded that the best program was to come to Vrindavan. And now I can see it was the right conclusion. Because I feel that we are at home here. It is home. Kṛṣṇa and Balarāma here. Did you have a nice rest? I think so. I think you rested for about three hours in a row just now.

Three hours?

Yes. It’s about nearly a quarter to one. You are very tired from the trip. I have heard it said that when great personalities arrive, everything is always cleansed. So I see that upon your coming everything is cleansed by Kṛṣṇa. Sending all of this rain. The atmosphere becomes cool. And the sound of the rain is also very pleasing. Sun also out there, the sunshine. It was sunshine when we arrived. But now it is cloudy and rainy. I was wondering, Rla Prabhupāda, whether you would like for the Kaviraj to be called. I was thinking he might be called tomorrow.

Today.

No need for him to come. Better that you mostly relax today. Nice thinking that as you said, better or worse, some husband must be there. So we should have some doctor. Is that all right? So nice to be with you. When you’re in Vrindavan, do the nipple. In what regard, Śrīla Prabhupāda? Everything. Every regard. Oh yes. All you have to do is think of Kṛṣṇa and Balaram.

Give me that stance and rescue you.

Yes. Dash and rest. Give me that chance. Yes.

Gurukipa will also remain here.

Gurukweepa should remain here. Should also remain here. Yes. Actually he’s. He’s quite devoted to Kṛṣṇa Balaram as well as to your divine grace. He likes the two brothers very much. Sometimes he likes to go out to collect for them. Is that all right?

It.

So starting tomorrow we will go in front of Kṛṣṇa Balaram for a half hour every day or less time as you feel comfortable. Yes. Maybe Bhalladeva will give you the strength to sit for a half hour There. Comfortable in here. This new bed is all right. It is a jumbo size, very big size bed. Well, actually I am gonna call him now. I wanted you to, you know, wake up because I didn’t want him to have to wait so long. So I felt better to let you rest. Now I can call him.

I don’t care about that many gel in there.

We will get to find out. He might want to also have a quick sponge bath first.

Due to the difficulty of cement. Cement was a problem these days. But we have drawn up hold gate will finish within this month. One gate the other gate will begin after finishing.

This.

Gate was very good.

It like to go back into sitting up here to the more comfortable it.

For 11 days it stopped. And from this is last two days it has been. The rate of the grain has gone so high. Last year the rate of heat was 40 rupees. This year 78 rupees gram 50 rupees. This year 80 rupees. And that everything has gone so high. J this barley was 30 rupees this year 50 rupees at present. And it is only October beginning. And new rain will be coming in the month of April. So this means after seven months.

Why is it so high?

The rains have destroyed all crops from Delhi. Only day before yesterday the way is clear. The road is clear. Only day before yesterday again it is raining. Only day before yesterday the road is clear. From Delhi to Vrindavan. Delhi to Matra. That road.

The road is clear.

No, it was blocked. Everything was blocked.

Yesterday they got through only just the day before it was blocked.

Yeah.

Today again it’s right.

Buses stopped.

Rūpa.

Trucks stopped. Only they are allowing some cars to go. Yesterday only car could go.

But the planes were on strike. The. The planes were not going either. In Bombay, plane airports. No planes were leaving. We were lucky to get the first class train.

The road is very bad though.

Anyway it wouldn’t have been passable officially. Have taken three to four hours to go. A car from Delhi in this condition and bumping the train journey was not so bad I think.

Yeah.

Is there a drink for Prabhupāda? Mung gel is ready. It’s ready. Yeah. Yeah. We prepared mung water I think. Yeah. What’s her name? Pranav’s wife. Pranav. His wife. She was cooking with Kaladri today. She prepared two things. Mung jo and the water from spinach. Said that supposed to be very good also. Would you like to try? Kanav said that the feature of the spinach water is that it’s very good for strength and very easily digestible is what he said. You might like to try something of both.

Fresh milk.

Fresh milk.

Fresh milk.

Right now. Would you like to have some mung water?

Yeah.

Mung water. And the spinach water.

Milk. Milk.

Okay. And milk will keep ready whenever you want.

We have some Milk black.

You will be able to get enough anyway all the time. One cow. Bagaji says one cow will be kept ready all the time. So when you say you want milk immediately they will go and milk this cow. We will go and take our lunch now. Now you will be taking mung water. So in about a couple of hours, would you like to try some milk? Okay.

To be honest with you.

So we will take leave now. Shiva probably take Kirat.

Very beginning.

Where is the beginning? Well, these are prayers. I mean these are prayers offered by Sukha Dev Goswami.

Yeah.

You want to know what the first prayer is? Parasmai Purushaya Shakti Tritaya de hinam Antar Bhavayunu Alakashyavartmane. Alakshyavartmane Sugar gospel. Okay. Sukha Dev Goswami said, let me offer my respectful obeisances unto the supreme personality of Godhead who for the creation of the material world accepts the three modes of nature. He is the complete whole residing within the body of everyone and his ways inconceivable. Bhuyo nama sat Vrijjina cides. This material world is a manifestation of three modes of goodness, passion and ignorance and the Supreme Lord for the creation, maintenance and destruction. Destruction of the material world accepts three predominating forms of Brahma, Vishnu and Shankara Shiva. As Vishnu he enters into every body materially created, as Garba Dakshayi Vishnu he enters into every universe. And as Srodakshahi Vishnu he enters in the body of every living being.

Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa being the origin of all Vishnu. Tattvas is addressed here as Para Puman or Purushatam as described in the Bhagavad Gītā 15th chapter 18, verse or the complete whole. The Purusha avatars are therefore his plenary expansions. Bhakti Yoga is the only process by which one can become competent to know him. Because the empiric philosophers and mystic yogis cannot conceive of the personality of Godhead, he is called Anupalakshyavartmane, the Lord of the Inconceivable Way or Bhakti Yoga Satam Assam Babayakila Satvamurtaye Pungshang Puna Paramahansya Ashrame Vyavashtitanam Anum Rya Dash. I again offer my respectful obeisances unto the form of complete existence and transcendence who is the liberator from all distresses of the pious devotees and the destroyer of the further advances in atheistic temperament. Of the non devotee demons.

For the transcendentalists who are situated in the topmost spiritual perfection, he grants their specific destinations. Time is now five minutes to 4 o’.

Clock. That’s the bell.

It didn’t ring four times on the quarter. No temple bells and is on the half hour ones. Yeah. There is a bell in the front of the temple which people see sometimes ring as they enter. Do you want to hear the prayer point to this verse? Yes. Purport Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the complete form of all existence, both material and spiritual. Akhila means complete or that which is not kila inferior. As stated in Bhagavad Gītā, there are two kinds of nature Prakriti, namely the material nature and the spiritual nature, or the external and internal potencies of the Lord. The material nature is called anarva or inferior, and the spiritual nature is called superior or transcendental. Therefore the form of the Lord is not of the inferior material nature. He is complete transcendence and he is morti or having transcendental form.

The less intelligent men who are unaware of his transcendental form describe him as impersonal Brahman. But Brahman is simply the rays of his transcendental body, Yasya Prabha. The devotees who are aware of his transcendental form render him service. Therefore the Lord also reciprocates by his causeless mercy and thus delivers his devotees from all distresses. The pious men who follow the rulings of the Vedas are also dear to him, and therefore the pious men of this world are also protected by Him. The impious and the non devotees are against the principle of the Vedas. So such persons are always hampered from making advances in their nefarious activities. Some of them who are specially favored by the Lord are killed by him personally, as in the cases of Ravan are killed by him personally, as in the cases of Ravan, Hiranyakashipu, Kangsa, etc.

And thus such demons get salvation and are thereby checked from further progress in their demoniac activities. Just like a kind Father, either in his favor upon the devotees or his punishment of the demons. He is never kind to everyone because he is ever kind to everyone, because he is complete existence for all individual existence. The Paramahansa stage of existence is the highest perfectional stage of spiritual values. According to Śrīmatikundi Devī. The Lord is factually understood by the Paramahansas only as there is gradual realization of the transcendence from impersonal Brahman to localized Paramātmā to the personality of Godhead Purushott. Similarly, there is gradual promotion of one’s situation in the spiritual life of Sannyas. Kutichaka, Bahudaka, Pari Rajakacharya and Paramahangsa are gradual progressive states stages in the renounced order of life.

Sannyas and Queen Kundi Devī, the mother of the Pandavas has spoken about them in her prayers to Lord Kṛṣṇa chapter 8. The Paramahansas are generally found both among the impersonalists and the devotees. But according to Śrīmad Bhāgavatam, as it is clearly stated by Kundi Devī, pure Bhakti Yoga is understood by the Paramahansas. And she has especially mentioned that the Lord descends Pari Tranaya Sadhunam especially to award Bhakti Yoga to the Paramahansas. So ultimately the Paramahansas in the true sense of the term are unalloyed devotees of the Lord. Śrīlajiva Goswami has described as directly accepted that the highest destination is Bhakti Yoga by which one accepts the transcendental loving service of the Lord. Those who accept the path of Bhakti Yoga are the factual Paramahansas since the Lord is very kind to everyone, the impersonalists.

Reminding them that the Chowki Daya wasn’t ringing the bell until it became established.

It’s been going on for years not only just like between. Hi sir, just rang the bell now. That was a half hour ago before was at 4 o’. Clock. Yes. Hi Siri. Starting to get darker early. Sun is setting earlier now I think than it was when were last here. The politicians of the world may remain in their respective to see that things are going well. We are able to see these things are going on.

But do you know I didn’t.

Well, the bell went off.

I don’t think I have seen Akranam in the morning.

He was here when you arrived into your room he came. He was also sitting in the room.

He was driving your cat from the.

Torah and he was also here when Bagaji came here.

Okay.

Yeah.

Sa that such huge stability improperly realizes not manage. Then again everything.

I don’t think that’s going to happen. Śrīla Prabhupāda. We’re too much indebted to you to allow what you have established to go to become spoiler.

Please see to them.

Yashua.

In this condition.

All you should have to do is just think about Kṛṣṇa and Balaram.

Yeah. This condition I cannot move my body or the bed. Only chant you should give me. Let me lie little peacefully without any I have given. Enjoying everything. Whatever you want. My will. Disaster.

Yes, we should. We do not want any disaster to happen. Our only business as your sons and servants is to maintain what you have established. Even if we don’t increase it. If we just can maintain it. You have done so much. If it’s even maintained, it will be a great credit. We shall be proud. If people will say that these. These young men are fit sons of their Guru Maharaj. That will be our great pride. If people will say that of us. That they were worthy sons of their Guru Maharaj.

I must thank you that he took me to new land and again brought me without any. Repeatedly at the great that I am thanking you. Within this condition a bundle of moon. Goodbye. See, yesterday I saw that Central Station Bombay. So much travel. Unexpectedly. Is he lost? Remarkable. Because we have introduced this trend. 24 hours this deluxe train is running.

There’s a train that’s even faster. Called the Rajdhani 17. Oh us also there was airstrike. So people who would normally take airplane they’re taking train. Giriraj made one life member aboard the train. A very nice gentleman living on Marine Drive. Quite wealthy. He says he never takes the train, only flies. But he went to the airport at 4 o’ clock and the airport said we’re no flights. All flights cancelled. They didn’t even give the courtesy to call up the people to tell them the flight was canceled. Although they have the telephone numbers or the ticket number purchasers. So the man had to take the train.

They strike instrument invented by modern Tiberius. So then.

The government becomes completely controlled by the lowest working class.

Like this. Without hands and legs. Therefore bedded civilization. Everyone is anywhere.

Yes. Just like in our temples. Everyone is engaged in some service. We don’t reject anyone.

No. The system should be made in such a way that everyone.

With these farms that is very easy to do. No unemployment. Everybody can work. Next to our farm in Australia There is one man. He has 500 acres of land. But he sends his wife out to work because he is so lazy. He does not work the land simply. They put some cows there to become fat and then kill them. It has 500 acres of land.

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This is the modern disease. Everyone is so lazy. There is some. You have always pointed out that there is so much land unused.

Now.

No one wants to work. It is much simpler for them to go and work for eight hours a day in some office, get some bits of paper money and then buy from the grocery store.

Or even if they are farmers, all they do is just graze cows. They don’t do any work. They just have the cows eat and then they sell them.

It.

Yes, brother.

I will bring it.

On time on the hour.

It is going on. So the bank has dispatched them.

The bank dispatched those two deposits. I wrote the one letter to you.

I only got that letter. The bank was away. And now you have come.

Thank you. Away.

The bank was not here on that day. I could not check it now. Yet the letter only came. And today is Sunday.

Tomorrow first thing. The deposits were due on the 25th. And on the 30th they became matured. So one should have been dispatched on the 25th and the other should have been dispatched on the 30th.

The letter came so late.

It came. The bank was on strike. It came. The day came. The bank was on strike. The next day we received notice you were coming. We had to rush and get a chair for your arrangements. Unfortunately, that was the only day I could not go there. It came late. Later came very late. First thing tomorrow.

Not only one copy. I have two copies.

Why did they.

I have them. It’s attached in that file of the fixed deposit receipts.

What it is?

It gives them specific instructions to immediately transfer these two fixed deposits on the date of maturity to the Central bank of India While they attack road branch to the accountant Bhaktivedantha Book Trust. No.

What do they say?

And they all said no. Having received it. Having received the two fixed deposit receipts. They wrote down. The bank manager stamped it dated signature. We gave them the receipts signed. So they acknowledged having received them. Yes.

It will be done.

Well, their acknowledgment of the letter should constitute that I got them to acknowledge that they received the original. The fact that they. The fact that they would take receipt of the principal parties indicates that they have to do the has vehicles. I mean, I have no doubt that going to do that.

They.

When they came to see, they accepted that they would have to do that because the money was sent to them before last. Huh? Everything.

What other? What other?

Well, just generally.

Generally everything is.

Bank is giving a good service.

Yes.

There.

No greater honor than we can be called your son.

Shiloh. Father.

Dr. Sharma.

Dr. Sharma. Oh, yeah. Where is he? He’s here. Did that milk give you any mucus? That’s good. Really fresh.

Morning.

Evening.

I think they can avoid any food you can one abide any food you don’t like.

Fruit juice.

I want to say I can drink in the meantime. But by simply drinking this, well, I can live, I think.

Well, the saintly persons in the past did adopt that policy. They were living simply on milk. Are you feeling all right?

Yes.

You’re happy to be in Vrindavan, I think.

M.

You look very natural being in Vrindavan. Shula.

Problem.

Robert said scratch hard.

The other train, Punjab Mail. Frontier Mail. Oh, Rajdhani. Rajdhani Express.

That is from Calcutta.

There’s two.

One comes from Calcutta between Calcutta and Delhi and the other goes Bombay. Delhi and Delhi. Bombay. Both of them take about 17 or 18 hours. The one going from Calcutta stops only one. Śrīla Prabhupāda in Kanpur, I think between Calcutta and Delhi. It makes one stop at Kanpur. That’s all. It’s all air conditioned.

And the island?

The other one stops once, I guess, but I am not certain of the place. Between here and Bombay it makes one stop so far.

I know.

I am not sure what. Where does that stop? They’re very popular trains. They run only about twice a week. But the train were on was quite quick also. But not so quick. The train we are on took about, I think, 22 hours. Bombay, Delhi. But Rajdhani, I think, takes 17.

It’s about five hours faster.

That one were on. Yeah, it was very good and it was very much on time.

It. It.